Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

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Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby CherokeeUST » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:46 pm

I was looking through the latest PEI Journal and saw a new article about an old problem.

It seems strange that this issue hasn't been solved already.

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http://digital.peijournal.org/peijourna ... pg=54#pg54

LUST Line articles. http://www.neiwpcc.org/lustline/llarchive.asp
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:40 pm

What is the question again? If it is getting an accurate reading on a tight tank equiped with a vent stack pressure/vacuum valve working, through a fill tube with a wooden stick? the answer is it can't be done once you start dispensing through a nozzle. What makes the whole ignoration of basic physics so funny is it is only rare these days to find a tank that is actually tight. It is sad that a (perfectly) tight tank has the greatest risk of being OVER filled.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:47 pm

Actually the problem is solved with what's called a "tank stick correction gage. We could suggest a regulation making installation mandatory but we are as the present administration in Washington says somewhat over regulated now.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby CherokeeUST » Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:23 am

If we made the vent caps less air tight we could solve this. Just make them so air can enter but not escape.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:34 am

Drill bigger holes in the sides of fill tubes maybe?
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby CherokeeUST » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:01 am

Gawd!! Don't joke like that. Next thing you know we'll have to pull out all our drop tubes to prove there are no holes in them.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:44 am

If you are not seeing manual and ATG measurement discrepancies in fuel levels and you do not have stage II dynamic vapor recovery in ballance then you have holes somewhere.

Holes drilled in fill tubes are pretty easy to see Without having to pull fill tubes. There in lies the quardumbydonedren. You see if your getting a truly accurate manual stick reading all the time you may think the tank is tight but it's really not.

Inacurate stick readings regarding tank tightness means your tank is tight. Now seeing that very few tanks are tight a little out of compliance light or bell should be ringing in your head.

This light and bell has just ilumate and rung in the heads of Texas regulators and they are now on the war path.

Sorry
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:56 pm

"quardumbydonedren" I made up the word.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby CherokeeUST » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:25 pm

ZMiller wrote:This light and bell has just illuminated and rung in the heads of Texas regulators and they are now on the war path.
Sorry


Aw man. I hate it when the air program and UST program start talking and realize they are missing something everyone else knows already.
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Re: Vapor Tight Tanks and ATG readings

Postby ZMiller » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:24 pm

We need to quiet down, speak in a lower key, use our inside voices or converse in code here on the forum when discussing the oblivious or obivious. It seemed in the Texas meeting last week they knew who I was. I didn't know any of them from loads of coal but they kept addressing me as zmIller.

Thursday we are in a meeting with the "Dark Side" in Sacramento (CWRB). You should come along for fun and we will introduce you as CherokeeUST.
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