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405pumptech1
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 Posted - 08/15/2012 : 17:30:12
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Does anyone else use EBW safety valves? Im having trouble with the local Authority stating they cant be used on diesel because they are zinc coated and they are stating the RP100 for not using galvanized fittings on diesel
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fatboy
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 05:09:29
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I'd call EBW for Back-up on this one, but that's me,----- "Mr. Vegas"  |
.......... Jumpin' Jack Flash, It's a gas! Gas! Gas! ------The Rolling Stones |
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405pumptech1
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 07:43:33
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| I have. They provided me with the UL listings but the Authority said the UL listings were issued before the RP100 revision stating no galvanized fittings on diesel. Looks like the inside is not coated but I have to be able to prove its the case. |
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ZMiller
USA
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Posted - 08/16/2012 : 10:06:46
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| I'm having the same issues with OPW. EBW is owned by who now? Thought FE Petro aquired them 5 or 6 years ago? |
There are two theories to arguing with a woman:...neither work!
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fatboy
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2012 : 06:13:32
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Originally posted by 405pumptech1
..........they are stating the RP100 for not using galvanized fittings on diesel
Thanks
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405pumptech1
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2012 : 13:42:33
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ZMiller
USA
1318 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2012 : 15:48:14
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| You have opened a can of worms here regarding shear valve diesel issues. Think there are problems now? You haven't seen anything yet. |
There are two theories to arguing with a woman:...neither work!
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405pumptech1
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/18/2012 : 16:55:58
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| I was dedicated to the fight before I said anything on here. Just felt like I was the only one. |
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fatboy
USA
1361 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2012 : 06:31:12
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Originally posted by 405pumptech1
I have. They provided me with the UL listings but..........
I would tell their HD that you need to Speak with/E-Mail someone in EBW Engineering ASAP on this issue. |
.......... Jumpin' Jack Flash, It's a gas! Gas! Gas! ------The Rolling Stones |
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bigbadjohn
Canada
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Posted - 08/19/2012 : 10:10:21
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Not that you can ever win any battle with local authority, but...
RP100 is a recommended practice only, not an enforceable code. A UL listing is proof that a device performs it's designed task safely and correctly. RP100 is plain language text and UL is all in legalese.
My position is that listed shear valves are 100% legal for use until such time as Underwriters revisits their criteria for shear valves and determines that the current design no longer qualifies for their approval.
It's the equivalent of your local DMV deciding that they won't give you a plate for a certain model of NHTSA tested and approved car because the safety features don't meet the suggested recommendations issued by some auto industry think tank. |
Don't learn safety by accident.
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whittingtonm
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2012 : 15:32:00
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bigbad, I tend to agree with you. However, because of the way 40 CFR 280 regulations on USTs are written, you can get an argument from some folks, including some regulators, that the rules require installation in accordance with a recognized national standard:
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All tanks and piping must be properly installed in accordance with a code of practice developed by a nationally recognized association or independent testing laboratory and in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions.
PEI RP100 is one of those listed in the text after that. If you choose to follow RP100, you have to follow it. You can pick something else, but then will need to satisfy that standard in detail.
I am not saying that view is correct, I'm just saying I have heard it argued by serious people. Oh, yeah, I was on the other side of the argument, and we got nowhere on it.
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ZMiller
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2012 : 23:23:54
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Just let me vent here. I'm glad this issue came up on this forum. The discussion just might save somebodys life.
The root problem is that the shear valves are not closing when the thermal or shear lever is (tripped)disconnected. If the valve dosn't close when you trip it by hand, YOU can say that most likely when the dispenser gets runover by a bus, truck or car it will be as if there is no safety valve to keeps things from .........."BLOWING UP".
When dealing with customers and I have to tell them that OH by the way none of your diesel shear valves are working as they should and you should expect a fire or explosion sooner than later I have to decide to or not to document the failures and potential problem on the invoice or work order.
Here is the problem,...once a third party makes a customer aware of a potential or obvious safety issue that could cause injury to a person, dammage to his property or damage the environment surrounding his property he kind of has to fix the problem.
When operating any kind of business dealing with the public as with a gas station per say it is the responsibility of the person operating or servicing that business to adhere to the states Business and Professions Codes. In court all parties having knowledge of a malfuncting safety device that causes injury to a person or dammage to the surrounding environment would have a problem that not even their insurance in a million years would cover.
As for me, lose a customer and or his customer or not, if the shear valve dosen't work properly it gets a big documented RED TAG, it's locked up and capped off period. My exposure to risk is high enough without seeing my or my company name plastered on the front page of the local newspaper. |
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hardworking
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Posted - 08/20/2012 : 22:37:39
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| Zane, how did you go from the OP saying the AHJ has an issue with a galvanized impact valve being used with diesel to the root problem is they are nor working properly? Are you saying that using the valve the OP is using is showing up with a high rate of failure to operate properly? |
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405pumptech1
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2012 : 22:39:19
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| The ebw valves work great! As do most safety valves if inspected and tested and anchored properly. Lots of anchoring jobs are schetchy at best in most older locations |
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405pumptech1
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2012 : 20:18:07
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| Fyi I lost the battle with the authority! After speaking to PEI the authority couldn't come up with enough proof to overturn their ruling. So no zinc plated valves, offsets or any other fittings on diesel products. Least I tried. Thanks for all the feed back |
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